lilly lewin made some comments about women making coffee and not being up front at mayhem, an emerging church get together. i've had similar worries/concerns and discussions with people over here. anyway lilly's got in trouble for being honest (why won't the women just keep quiet in church!!! :-) ) but at least she's kicked off some much needed conversation. i've waded in (probably regret it) but if you want to catch up the conversation is going on at chrismarshall - see the comments. he then adds another post with even more comments. i liked his quote:
I spent 10 years climbing the ladder in evangelical ministry, being groomed to be the next super "up front" leader and what I learned is that it had more to do with being an American success story than anything to do with Christ following. I would go as far to say that until I learned to love 2 or 3 and be content in my giftedness, I really never understood what pastoring was. I believe the pastor who will thrive in the future will be one that turns in their pulpit for a guest bedroom, their preaching for true hospitality, their "up front" role for a towel and basin. Hospitality, which fosters powerful organic relationships underground will be the bridges that the Holy Spirit will use to bring healing to our communities. (by the way, women generally kick arse in this area). So men, learn how to clean a toilet and make a bed. Learn how to cut the vegetables and clean the dishes. Learn how to listen in conversation to people's stories as they share lives over a meal and be ready to respond with warmth and empathy with nobody to notice what your doing. The future leader will not be an expositor but a diakanos (table servant). If this is not enough for you, then let me end with this question: Who told you to be successful?
this was the comment i added into the mix:
i'm from london, england, wasn't at mayhem so am talking off the top of my head... but hey that's the web for you! i just couldn't resist joining in. my guess is that lilly is spot on!!!!!!! i can't understand why anyone is surprised or offended - sounds like it's time to listen to a prophet in your midst speaking with a rare moment of insight and honesty? i've been to hundreds of christian get togethers - emerging or other and it's the same all over. men up front, women making the coffee. (it's also difficult when you are organising these things because it is hard to find the women). but unless we are proactive in the emerging thing what's going to change on this issue? someone commented that if brian was a woman he'd still be speaking - helloooooooo!!!! what planet are you on?! i just don't believe it - if he was a woman (i can't believe i just wrote that - brian would be in hysterics if he read it) he would have had to fight an awful lot of battles, work five times as hard, and take a whole lot of stick. maybe the US is different to the UK in this but i don't think so. how about setting up a think tank of women connected with mayhem/emergent where they have space to talk about the issues - and then get some listening space (not in a corner room tucked away but by the leaders/friends and then feedback is heard on a BIG playform - everyone shuts up and listens - and takes it on the chin) before working out what ACTIONS need to be taken to change this whole situation. if that happened whew - i'd be cheering from over in london! keep on keeping on....