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David Derbyshire

In our church people appear to like having a small group programme as they know what is happening. We follow a four weekly pattern of prayer, socialising, biblical application with one other week that often involves something creative using different members’ gifts. In our group we try hard to involve everyone in planning and to get everyone to lead a session.

We would say our groups and church is based around relationships. We have had groups where everyone just goes to whoever’s house they want to but found difficulties in travel arrangements and baby-sitting, not to mention the feeling that some of us where becoming a bit cliquey. So we reorganised our groups to take these things into account.

We even discussed Purpose Driven Life in our groups a few years back, albeit quite critically yet I think at least to some extent we are doing what you describe in this book. So are we programmed or organic? I don’t think I am quite getting what this book is saying about the problem with a small group programme say. Any thoughts?


jo isn't saying small groups are bad. what can be a problem is if it's seen as the solution for everybody in terms of discipleship for all time. small groups have been the life blood of many churches and church movements. but they can get stuck and some people are called to do other things, invest time elsewhere etc... the point about being organic is just shifting emphasis away from the fixed structure to being flexible to go with ideas and newness as it emerges. it sounds like you experienced exactly this when groups became cliquey and you re-imagined things...

David Derbyshire

Yes, over the last few years we have re-imagined our groups two or three times. Interestingly they have had an organic feel when they have had a specific purpose – we did have specific serving groups for a while but the groups that studied 'Purpose Driven Life' were probably the most organic, maybe ironically in the light of the comment about ‘purpose driven’ groups? Each group met at different times in the week: some in the day time - for home workers - and one of them at Starbucks.

Generally, as a church we see each other a lot I think - both sociably and for other meetings (e.g. planning church and mission activities etc). Perhaps we need to acknowledge this more as you said it is "the air that we breathe" so it is not always easy to recognise.

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